Aired March 20, 2010
Transcript of a conversation between Dr. Sabrosky, Mark Glenn and Phil
Tourney
Mark Glenn: Dr. Sabrosky, welcome to the program.
Dr. Alan Sabrosky: Thank you very much, Mark. A pleasure to be here.
Dr. Alan Sabrosky: Thank you very much, Mark. A pleasure to be here.
MG: Well, believe me,
the pleasure is ours. As I said, this article that you wrote this week ~ there
are very few articles that really catch my attention these days, as you can
understand, Dr. Sabrosky, because there's just so much information out there
and so many people talking.
But this
one particularly caught my interest and held my interest throughout the
duration of reading this article ~ which I will be reading here in just a
minute.
But
before I jump into that I'm just going to go ahead and give you the floor here,
and let you say some things that I think need to be said.
AS: Mark, we had talked about this earlier and, you know, my feelings are that I'm perfectly willing to debate issues with anyone on any subject. Most of us have different views of things and none of us, I think, believes we have the entire truth for ourselves. Anyone who does is a fool.
On the subject that I wrote this time, it caught my attention as well because if there is anything that is more significant it is loyalty: loyalty to country, loyalty to people, loyalty to constitution. And to my displeasure and my shame ~ because I have some Jewish relatives, none of whom are Zionist ~ a large majority of American Jews give their allegiance to a foreign country.
AS: Mark, we had talked about this earlier and, you know, my feelings are that I'm perfectly willing to debate issues with anyone on any subject. Most of us have different views of things and none of us, I think, believes we have the entire truth for ourselves. Anyone who does is a fool.
On the subject that I wrote this time, it caught my attention as well because if there is anything that is more significant it is loyalty: loyalty to country, loyalty to people, loyalty to constitution. And to my displeasure and my shame ~ because I have some Jewish relatives, none of whom are Zionist ~ a large majority of American Jews give their allegiance to a foreign country.
They may have American
citizenship, but their allegiance is to Israel.
And as I said in the
piece, this is a form of political bigamy which is every bit as dishonest as
marital bigamy. I'm not married now, but when I was, loyalty to my spouse was
absolute. It has to be there. I could look and say, "Aha! there is Farrah
Fawcett," and I could admire someone out there but I didn't give that
person my allegiance.
There's a difference
between admiring from a distance and giving allegiance to that thing. And it's
the same with a country.
Some of my [American] relatives are German, some are Irish, and all of them have a measure of allegiance to those cultures, but it's not a political allegiance. It's a social allegiance. It's like, "We're going to stand up on St Patrick's Day," or "We're going to stand up on Oktoberfest," or "We're going to celebrate this," and we're proud of being German, or Irish, or whatever it happens to be.
Some of my [American] relatives are German, some are Irish, and all of them have a measure of allegiance to those cultures, but it's not a political allegiance. It's a social allegiance. It's like, "We're going to stand up on St Patrick's Day," or "We're going to stand up on Oktoberfest," or "We're going to celebrate this," and we're proud of being German, or Irish, or whatever it happens to be.
But none of us gives
our allegiance to Ireland or to Germany. Jews do. And if we don't say it ~ I
don't care if we're called anti-Semites or not ~ if we don't stand up and say,
"Truth is truth, their allegiance is to a foreign country, they are traitors," then we're dishonest to ourselves.
MG: It would be one thing if they had allegiance to this
foreign country, and this foreign country's national interests mimicked ours -
but this isn't the case. The third leg of this chair here today is a man who
experienced first-hand the fact that the national interests of this other
country are not the same as the national interests of this country.
AS: But it's even more than that, Mark. I've had a bitter argument with one of my Jewish cousins who moved to Israel and kept an American citizenship. If someone loves another country enough to go there: more power to them. They go, that's it ~ they're gone.
AS: But it's even more than that, Mark. I've had a bitter argument with one of my Jewish cousins who moved to Israel and kept an American citizenship. If someone loves another country enough to go there: more power to them. They go, that's it ~ they're gone.
But they keep the
American citizenship so that they can continue to participate in our elections,
stand in our offices ~ look at Rahm Emanuel: he served in the Israeli
armed forces, not in the American armed forces, and he is easily the second
most powerful person in this country ~ easily.
That's treason. I will tell you right now: if Palestinians had the same influence in America I would oppose them in the same way. I don't care what the country is, what the allegiance is, what matters to me is that if you are American, you love this country first, last, and that's the end of it.
That's treason. I will tell you right now: if Palestinians had the same influence in America I would oppose them in the same way. I don't care what the country is, what the allegiance is, what matters to me is that if you are American, you love this country first, last, and that's the end of it.
And I don't care if
you're Navy, Marine, whatever you are.
Phil, you and I will
probably agree on this and probably one of the few things that a Navy and
Marine guy would agree on, but I think both of us would agree that loyalty to
America is the only non-negotiable part of American citizenship.
Phil Tourney (USS Liberty Survivor): Absolutely,
Alan, and I'll tell you, you being a United States Marine, that is inbred in
you, and being a Marine ~ semper fidelis, always faithful ~ you're
faithful to your country; and I'm sorry you had the argument with your cousin
but you're still faithful to your country and I understand exactly where you're
coming from.
Mark, I don't think at the beginning of the show that you read the Doctor's credentials off. I wish you would, because it means a lot, and it means a lot to me to hear them.
MG: Absolutely, and I will do that right now since I'm about to launch into reading this excellent article. Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College.
Now, not only that ~ Dr. Sabrosky correct me if I'm wrong here ~ not only are you a graduate of the US Army War College, but you were a director of studies there for some period of time ~ is that correct?
Mark, I don't think at the beginning of the show that you read the Doctor's credentials off. I wish you would, because it means a lot, and it means a lot to me to hear them.
MG: Absolutely, and I will do that right now since I'm about to launch into reading this excellent article. Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College.
Now, not only that ~ Dr. Sabrosky correct me if I'm wrong here ~ not only are you a graduate of the US Army War College, but you were a director of studies there for some period of time ~ is that correct?
AS: That's correct. For five-and-a-half years.
MG: Five-and-a-half
years as director of studies at the US Army War College. You know, of all the
things that I would love to have trailing behind my name, Dr. Sabrosky, being
the director of studies at the US Army War College would definitely be one of
them.
AS: Thank you very much, I appreciate that.
MG: Alright, ladies and
gentlemen, as much as it's going to appear as if I'm acting as a school mom
here in reading this article to you. Nevertheless, I'm going to do it.
Not as an
intellectually insulting gesture towards you - because I know you can all read
very well - but I was so impressed with this article that I want it entered
into the record here within the context of this conversation, and that's the
reason I'm going to read it. (reads The Dark Face of Jewish Nationalism below report
by Dr. Sabrosky)
So writes
Alan Sabrosky PhD, former director of studies at the U.S. Army War College.
Dr. Sabrosky, I cannot think of an article that I have read in recent memory that basically sums up the problem that we are dealing with right now as accurately and as succinctly as this essay that you have written.
Dr. Sabrosky, I cannot think of an article that I have read in recent memory that basically sums up the problem that we are dealing with right now as accurately and as succinctly as this essay that you have written.
You have,
for all intents and purposes, nailed this thing on the head.
I guess
the reason why I got so excited over this article, Dr. Sabrosky, is because one
of things that I have noted about the problem that we're dealing with ~ in
terms of Zionism, the power of the Jewish lobby, and what-not ~ is that
everything is shrouded in some type of confusion or mystery, and I think
deliberately so. I think one of the biggest components to this powerful foreign
interest being able to get as far as it has.
I mean,
let's face it: it got away with attacking
a United States ship for close to two
hours killing 34 men ~ this was an act of war, they got away with
it.
Not only
did they get away with it, they were rewarded with three-billion dollars a year minimum.
When we
look at the two wars that the United States finds herself in, and on the cusp
of at least two others, and all of this for the benefit of a certain foreign
country sitting on the eastern shores of the Mediterranean Sea ~ they have been
wildly successful at bringing all of this about and I think one of the main
components of this is the fact that very few people really understand the
nature of the problem ~ and I think that your article here basically lays out
the problem, which is that when you have people that try to make this claim
that they are loyal to America and, at the same time, loyal to a foreign
government, it is a lie.
AS: It is, and it's more than that, Mark. What we need to stand up and say is that not only did they attack the USS Liberty, they did 9/11. They did it.
AS: It is, and it's more than that, Mark. What we need to stand up and say is that not only did they attack the USS Liberty, they did 9/11. They did it.
I have had long
conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at
the Headquarters Marine Corps, and I have made it absolutely clear in both
cases that it is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period.
You know, Phil, I don't denigrate what happened to USS Liberty in the slightest ~ you understand that ~ but for most Americans what happened to the USS Liberty, or in Vietnam, was history. Now this is history. You know, they can be concerned about it, but they're not going to get mad about it.
9/11 has led directly to 60,000 Americans dead and wounded, God knows how many hundreds of thousands of people in other countries that we've killed or wounded or made homeless, and it's an on-going sore. It's not your sore from the USS Liberty; it's not my sore from Vietnam. Both of us have those, both of us care about. But this is an open wound.
You know, Phil, I don't denigrate what happened to USS Liberty in the slightest ~ you understand that ~ but for most Americans what happened to the USS Liberty, or in Vietnam, was history. Now this is history. You know, they can be concerned about it, but they're not going to get mad about it.
9/11 has led directly to 60,000 Americans dead and wounded, God knows how many hundreds of thousands of people in other countries that we've killed or wounded or made homeless, and it's an on-going sore. It's not your sore from the USS Liberty; it's not my sore from Vietnam. Both of us have those, both of us care about. But this is an open wound.
And what Americans need to understand is that they did it. They did it. And if they do understand that, Israel's going to disappear. Israel will flat-ass disappear from this Earth.
I sent a film to one of my colleagues and it basically had Americans grieving
over their dead coming back. And I showed one of them ~ it was a woman ~ just
wrenched by grief over her dead soldier. And I said, you know, if Americans
ever know that Israel did this, they're going to scrub them off the Earth, and
they're not going to give a rat's ass ~ forgive my language ~ what the cost is.
They are not going to
care. They will do it. And they should.
And they should.
PT: Alan, your article
and your heart and your testimony and what you believe in is heart-wrenching to
me. It is like our founding fathers, and their shadows, talking and saying,
"We
have to fix this, we have to make our own way, and we have to do it now, or we
will go down."
AS: Exactly. Absolutely, Phil. I agree fully.
PT: Your article needs
to be shipped off to the library of congress immediately.
AS: Well, I can tell you it's being read by some people in Headquarters Marine Corps and at the Army War College. I sent it off to them this past week and I've had some long discussions with people up there, and there's some really, really unhappy people.
AS: Well, I can tell you it's being read by some people in Headquarters Marine Corps and at the Army War College. I sent it off to them this past week and I've had some long discussions with people up there, and there's some really, really unhappy people.
MG: What are they
saying, if you can talk about that, Dr. Sabrosky?
AS: Astonishment. The first thing, Mark, is
astonishment. They didn't know. They truly didn't know. And these are not
unintelligent people. They really didn't know.
And the next statement
is rage. Real rage. And the Zionists are playing this as truly an
all-or-nothing exercise, because if they lose this one, if the American people
ever realize what happened, they're done.
And I will tell you frankly ~ I don't think either one of you has any Jewish ancestry. I do. You know, I have one grandparent who's Jewish. As Phil Weiss from Mondoweiss were talking about it ~ he's a Jewish guy who puts a lot of critical stuff out there on Israel ~ and I said for the Orthodox Rabbinate I'm not a Jew. For the Nazis, I've been there.
And I will tell you frankly ~ I don't think either one of you has any Jewish ancestry. I do. You know, I have one grandparent who's Jewish. As Phil Weiss from Mondoweiss were talking about it ~ he's a Jewish guy who puts a lot of critical stuff out there on Israel ~ and I said for the Orthodox Rabbinate I'm not a Jew. For the Nazis, I've been there.
And if this explodes,
I'm going to go down with the rest of them. And I know this. I flat-out know
this. But if that was the price for making America whole again...
When I took my oath 51 years ago to the United States Marine Corps, no one promised us life. No one did. They promised us duty and loyalty and service ~ and maybe death. And that's how they talked to us in 1959. I don't think they talk to them that way anymore. But in 1959 they did, and if my death were a requirement for the saving of America ~ well, hell, I could've died in Vietnam.
When I took my oath 51 years ago to the United States Marine Corps, no one promised us life. No one did. They promised us duty and loyalty and service ~ and maybe death. And that's how they talked to us in 1959. I don't think they talk to them that way anymore. But in 1959 they did, and if my death were a requirement for the saving of America ~ well, hell, I could've died in Vietnam.
It's my service, my
country, my corps. And, Phil, it's like you in the Navy: we signed onto this,
and we love our service. And none of us wishes to die. Certainly I don't. I
don't think either one of you guys do.
But if that's the
price, then that's the price I pay. I mean that.
PT: When you're talking
about Marines, I have the utmost respect and I know your duty to country. When
the torpedo hit our ship and I opened up to scuttle, guess who I pulled out of
there: a United States marine, named Bryce Lockwood. And he was holding on to another
sailor and saved his life, and he received a silver star. God bless him for
that.
And I understand wholeheartedly what's in your heart, because I have it my heart. I didn't learn it by becoming a sailor as such, but I learned it through the grace of God for saving our ship, I learned it through scholars like you, I've learned it through good friends like Mark Glenn and my shipmates - and I've learned it through actions of Israel.
And I understand wholeheartedly what's in your heart, because I have it my heart. I didn't learn it by becoming a sailor as such, but I learned it through the grace of God for saving our ship, I learned it through scholars like you, I've learned it through good friends like Mark Glenn and my shipmates - and I've learned it through actions of Israel.
And when
you struck me very, very hard just a second ago when you talked about 911.
You're very willing to say that, yeah, they did it: 911.
Yes, they did. And, you know, my heart broke. And I saw that plane ~ the last
one ~ go into the tower. And to see that...
I mean, I
know it's in your heart, and Mark's, and everybody else's, to see your fellow
Americans being slaughtered and murdered just as they did the USS Liberty.
Alan, it is something that, if we don't talk about it, if we don't tell people
about it ~ I believe God wants us to ~ and if we don't: shame on us.
AS: I agree very much on that side, and I'll tell you ~
I have a dream, as Martin Luther King, Jr. once said, and my dream is that the
5th and 6th US fleets take Israel and cream it.
And that's the end of
it.
MG: Just for the record,
Dr. Sabrosky, it was about three years ago ~ and I can remember distinctly I
was on a radio program in the run-up to the reunion that Liberty guys were
going to be having in DC ~ and I made a prediction on the air that I believed
with all my heart at the time and I believe with all my heart now, but someday,
some way.
I don't
know exactly how it's going to happen ~ I have my suspicions ~ but someday and
some way, maybe a lot sooner than any of us realize, the United States is going
to find herself at war with Israel. And I mean a real, live shooting war.
Now, technically speaking, we are at war with her because she is at war with us. She is out to destroy us. We just haven't figured it out yet.
My personal prediction is that probably - again, sooner than any of us realize or would like to envision ~ Israel is going pull off another 9-11. She's going to pull off another USS Liberty.
Now, technically speaking, we are at war with her because she is at war with us. She is out to destroy us. We just haven't figured it out yet.
My personal prediction is that probably - again, sooner than any of us realize or would like to envision ~ Israel is going pull off another 9-11. She's going to pull off another USS Liberty.
Obviously,
some pretty powerful people in some pretty prominent places, such as Chairman
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mike Mullen, believe this is a possibility
because he cut short a trip he made to Europe a few years ago to hastily fly to
Israel to meet with his counterpart and warn him in no uncertain terms how important
it was that there not be another USS Liberty part two.
So, in as far as what you two fellows were just talking about, that we need to talk about this, I'm going to offer another theory here for discussion.
So, in as far as what you two fellows were just talking about, that we need to talk about this, I'm going to offer another theory here for discussion.
We would
already have had that 9/11 part two, or that USS Liberty part two
- that would already have been a fait accompli were it not for the fact that a
growing number of people have been talking about this problem since 9/11.
I think that Israel has been watching all of this and has been saying,
I think that Israel has been watching all of this and has been saying,
"We
need to kind of let things cool a little bit for now - if we try to pull
another one off right now then that's it: we're going to blow our cover."
AS: It's not only a matter of blowing our cover. If
Americans ever truly understand that ~ they're history. It'll be a bloody,
brutal war ~ and they're gone. I mean, it's not even going to be a close
contest. And they know that.
What they understand, I think, as well, is that their leverage is on the political appointments. Their leverage is not in the uniformed services.
If you pick up the Army Times, or the Navy Times, or any of the
journals of any of the services you've got a very different view than you get
looking at the Congress and the White House. And the military has not been
bought. The military is loyal but it has not been bought.
And if it ever
understands this ~ really, really, deeply understands this ~ and this is what I
got when I put some of these things to the Army War College and to Headquarters
Marine Corps ~ and I mentioned to a contact in Headquarters Marine Corps, I
said,
"You know they did
9/11...," and it was, "You don't mean it." I said,
"Absolutely".
And if they ever
understand that, these people are history.
MG: Well, now let me ask
you something, Doctor, and obviously I understand that we need to protect the
names of the innocent here...
AS: There are no innocent! [laughter]
AS: There are no innocent! [laughter]
PT: I agree.
MG: I'd like to know a little bit more about this. I mean, these conversations that you're having with your colleagues who are still serving in uniform. What is the reaction on their part when you tell them things like this?
MG: I'd like to know a little bit more about this. I mean, these conversations that you're having with your colleagues who are still serving in uniform. What is the reaction on their part when you tell them things like this?
AS: First is disbelief, and what I show them
immediately afterwards is an interview with a Danish demolitions expert named Danny
Jowenko, and it shows the third building at the World Trade Center going down ~
WTC7.
And they look at that,
and I said,
"Now you
understand that if one of the buildings was wired for demolition, all of
them were wired for demolition."
And that's it. That's
the tipping point.
I mean, getting into arguments about who was flying what, and where they were, and whether there was nano-thermite ~ those things are true, but they're incidental. The thing that's necessary is to tell people: three buildings went down; the third was not hit by a plane, it was wired for controlled demolition, therefore, all of them were wired for controlled demolition.
I mean, getting into arguments about who was flying what, and where they were, and whether there was nano-thermite ~ those things are true, but they're incidental. The thing that's necessary is to tell people: three buildings went down; the third was not hit by a plane, it was wired for controlled demolition, therefore, all of them were wired for controlled demolition.
And at that point the
reaction is rage. First disbelief and then rage.
MG: Well, I've got to
tell you, that I find to be very encouraging because based upon the cursory
conversations I have with some military people ~ and I have to be real careful
about what I say because you just don't know what you're walking into when you
start a discussion of this type with one of them ~ based upon these cursory
conversations that I've had with some of them, they're clueless and they don't
want to hear about it.
They are
loyal to the flag that is on their left sleeve as a patch, and the thought that
the government could be in any way involved in any kind of high crimes and
treason against the people of the United States is just unthinkable to them, so
I'm glad to hear that there still is some grey matter and some patriotism left ~
at least in the circles where you travel, Dr. Sabrosky.
AS: Well, it's not that they don't want to hear it,
it's that don't know of it.
What I have done when
I've presented it to these people and I said,
"Just look at this
~ just look at this picture. I'm not going to give you an argument ~ just look
at it."
And they look at the
film and without exception they come back and they say, "They did it,
didn't they."
I said, "Yep ~
they did it."
PT: Can I jump in here
for a second ~ I just wanted to mention, talking about military people, some of
the most distinguished military people that I've ever had the pleasure to be
around... Admiral Thomas Moore, former Joint Chiefs of Staff which supported us
completely in the USS Liberty investigation, and so on and so forth.
And then Ray Davis - he was a commandant of the United States Marine Corps. He directly said - this is of course not going into 911 ~ that the USS Liberty was not a mistaken identity, it was an act of cold-blooded, premeditated murder. So there are people out there in the military.
Now these guys were retired at the time - but when you're educating people, like you're doing, Alan, people who serve in the military now, you're exactly right: they just don't know, because nobody knows. It's been hid up.
And then Ray Davis - he was a commandant of the United States Marine Corps. He directly said - this is of course not going into 911 ~ that the USS Liberty was not a mistaken identity, it was an act of cold-blooded, premeditated murder. So there are people out there in the military.
Now these guys were retired at the time - but when you're educating people, like you're doing, Alan, people who serve in the military now, you're exactly right: they just don't know, because nobody knows. It's been hid up.
Everything's
been hid.
It's been
covered up so good it'd almost take a Messiah to get us out of this thing.
MG: Dr. Sabrosky, I wanted to ask you - since we are to a certain degree prognosticating today, and making predictions ~ what do you think is going to happen here?
I mean, I was having a conversation with someone the other day about this situation with Iran, and the fact of the matter is that irrespective of whether or not Iran is actually actively engaged in building a nuclear weapon, or not, the fact of that is that Israel cannot afford to have this war not take place.
MG: Dr. Sabrosky, I wanted to ask you - since we are to a certain degree prognosticating today, and making predictions ~ what do you think is going to happen here?
I mean, I was having a conversation with someone the other day about this situation with Iran, and the fact of the matter is that irrespective of whether or not Iran is actually actively engaged in building a nuclear weapon, or not, the fact of that is that Israel cannot afford to have this war not take place.
There has
to be something that takes place, even if it's just lobbing a couple of bombs
into Iran and then really spectacularising it through their control of the
media.
They have
to do something to recoup some of their public image, so would you agree with
me on that, and assuming that you do agree with me on that, what do you think
Israel is going to be doing in the near future.
AS: We're going to have a war with Iran. And my guess is that the Arab Street is going to explode.
AS: We're going to have a war with Iran. And my guess is that the Arab Street is going to explode.
PT: I agree.
AS: And American forces, American units, like 5th fleet headquarters in Bahrain, the rest of it ~ there's going to be a casualty list that we're not even going to care to think about.
AS: And American forces, American units, like 5th fleet headquarters in Bahrain, the rest of it ~ there's going to be a casualty list that we're not even going to care to think about.
PT: Alan, I think this
thing was predestined from day one. It started in Afghanistan. They go to Iraq,
and Iran has been the big prize all along. What do you think?
AS: Yes. No question at all. And in fact if the Iraqi resistance hadn't been so strong it would have already happened in the second Bush administration.
AS: Yes. No question at all. And in fact if the Iraqi resistance hadn't been so strong it would have already happened in the second Bush administration.
PT: Absolutely. I agree
100%.
MG: So all of this reticence, reluctance ~ whatever you want to call it ~ what appears to be reticence and reluctance on the part of the Obama administration ~ what do you think is going on? I mean, look, just this past week we had some what I consider pretty dramatic things being said on the part of the Obama administration with regards to Israel with the settlements and what-not.
MG: So all of this reticence, reluctance ~ whatever you want to call it ~ what appears to be reticence and reluctance on the part of the Obama administration ~ what do you think is going on? I mean, look, just this past week we had some what I consider pretty dramatic things being said on the part of the Obama administration with regards to Israel with the settlements and what-not.
What is
this? Is this just posturing on the part of the Obama Administration or are
they really trying to pull back on their end?
AS: The Obama Administration hasn't withheld a single dollar, a single plane ~ nothing. Words are cheap.
The Israelis made a tactical error in that they insulted Biden ~ and Biden is not one of my favorite people, but he is a street smart guy and he doesn't like being humiliated. This is a given.
AS: The Obama Administration hasn't withheld a single dollar, a single plane ~ nothing. Words are cheap.
The Israelis made a tactical error in that they insulted Biden ~ and Biden is not one of my favorite people, but he is a street smart guy and he doesn't like being humiliated. This is a given.
But nothing has
happened to affect in a tangible sense anything that we're giving to Israel.
Nothing. And as long as nothing happens to tangibly affect what we're giving to
them, nothing else will matter.
MG: Why are we not
already at war with Iran then?
AS: Partly because we can't find a good enough
excuse for it that will allow us to sidestep what we're doing in
Afghanistan and, to a lesser extent, Iraq. It's that there's just a little too
much there.
I'm pretty sure that the pattern was:
I'm pretty sure that the pattern was:
·
Afghanistan in 2001
·
Iraq 2003
·
Iran 2005
·
Syria 2007
The problem was that
the Iraqi resistance didn't let that happen.
So now the time frame
is a little bit different, and I'm not sure how that's going to play out, but I
think that the way we're going to it is to try and create an excuse for a
war.
And after the war takes
place people can question it, but it doesn't change the fact of the war.
MG: You're right. If
there's anything that we learned from Vietnam it's that once the troops are
committed, right or wrong, you stand by the troops. That's one of the things
that I noticed with the first Gulf war, and this is before I knew anything
about anything.
I thought, boy, when you look at the kind of protests that took place ~ and I was in college at the time of the first Gulf War ~ when you look at the kind of protests that took place during Vietnam ~ and of course on college you had a few people grumbling and saying this and saying that but, in general, the Neo-Cons really played the whole Vietnam thing beautifully ~ if such a word can be used for something as tragic as that.
I thought, boy, when you look at the kind of protests that took place ~ and I was in college at the time of the first Gulf War ~ when you look at the kind of protests that took place during Vietnam ~ and of course on college you had a few people grumbling and saying this and saying that but, in general, the Neo-Cons really played the whole Vietnam thing beautifully ~ if such a word can be used for something as tragic as that.
And don't
misunderstand me, Dr. Sabrosky: I know that you're a Vietnam vet and I hold
these guys in the highest regards too, and when I say they played this thing
beautifully, they made the protesters look like these grotesque, ugly,
unpatriotic people to the point where, when the next big war started, nobody
would dare raise their voice up against the troops the way that they did in
Vietnam.
AS: Yep, absolutely on it. Mark, I'm going to have to
separate in just a minute. If I could make sort of a concluding statement...
And I think that you would second me on this.
Nothing to me is more important than loyalty to or allegiance to my country. Nothing is. But that requires my country and my government to also behave in an honorable fashion. Our government, today, does not behave in an honorable fashion.
Nothing to me is more important than loyalty to or allegiance to my country. Nothing is. But that requires my country and my government to also behave in an honorable fashion. Our government, today, does not behave in an honorable fashion.
And there is something
in the Declaration of Independence which says that whenever any form of
government becomes oppressive of these ends it is the right and duty of the
people to alter or abolish it, and I think we have gone to the point where we
need to alter or abolish it.
And I say that as a man
who spent his entire life loyal to the United States.
PT: I understand you.
God bless you for that. God bless you.
MG: Ladies and
gentlemen: "The Dark Face of Jewish Nationalism" (below report). Look
it up on the internet ~ I don't think you're going to have any trouble finding
it. Written by our very good friend and special guest tonight: Dr. Alan
Sabrosky.
Doctor, I
hope we will be lucky enough to have you back on the program in the near
future, and in the mean time please keep up your excellent work. Honestly, as
much as this is going to sound like posturing to you, there are very few
people, as I said, who say anything that really causes me to take a double-take
and to sit down and pay attention, and you're definitely one of them.
AS: I appreciate that, Mark. You take care of
yourself. Phil, warmest regards. Semper fi to you, my friend.
PT: Semper fi.
God bless you, sir, and we will talk again
Israel did 9/11, ALL THE PROOF IN
THE WORLD!!
Dr.
Alan Sabrosky, former director of studies at the US Army War College says that
the military brass now know that Israel and those traitors within our nation
committed the 911 attack
ZIONISM UNMASKED:
THE DARK FACE OF JEWISH NATIONALISM
By Dr. Alan Sabrosky
March 19, 2010
Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D., University of Michigan) is a writer and consultant specializing in national and international security affairs. In December 1988, he received the Superior Civilian Service Award after more than five years of service at the U.S. Army War College as Director of Studies, Strategic Studies Institute, and holder of the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research.
He is listed in WHO'S WHO IN THE EAST (23rd ed.).A Marine Corps Vietnam veteran and a 1986 graduate of the U.S. Army War College, Dr. Sabrosky's teaching and research appointments have included the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Middlebury College and Catholic University; while in government service, he held concurrent adjunct professorships at Georgetown University and the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS).
Dr. Sabrosky has lectured widely on defense and foreign affairs in the United States and abroad.
Israeli Prime
Minister Binyamin Netanyahu once
remarked to a Likud gathering that "Israel is not like other
countries."
Oddly
enough for him, that time he was telling the truth and nowhere is that more
evident than with Jewish nationalism, whether or not one pins the
"Zionist" label on it.
Nationalism in most countries and cultures can have both positive and negative aspects, unifying a people and sometimes leading them against their neighbors. Extremism can emerge, and often has, at least in part in almost every nationalist/independence movement I can recall (e.g., the French nationalist movement had The Terror, Kenya's had the Mau Mau, etc.).
But whereas extremism in other nationalist movements is an aberration, extremism in Jewish nationalism is the norm, pitting Zionist Jews (secular or observant) against the goyim (everyone else), who are either possible predator or certain prey, if not both sequentially.
Nationalism in most countries and cultures can have both positive and negative aspects, unifying a people and sometimes leading them against their neighbors. Extremism can emerge, and often has, at least in part in almost every nationalist/independence movement I can recall (e.g., the French nationalist movement had The Terror, Kenya's had the Mau Mau, etc.).
But whereas extremism in other nationalist movements is an aberration, extremism in Jewish nationalism is the norm, pitting Zionist Jews (secular or observant) against the goyim (everyone else), who are either possible predator or certain prey, if not both sequentially.
This does
not mean that all Jews or all Israelis feel and act this way, by any means. But
it does mean that Israel today is what it cannot avoid being, and what it would
be under any electable government (a point I'll develop in another article).
The differences between Jewish nationalism (Zionism) and that of other countries and cultures here I think are fourfold:
The differences between Jewish nationalism (Zionism) and that of other countries and cultures here I think are fourfold:
1.
Zionism is a real witches' brew of xenophobia, racism, ultra-nationalism, and militarism that places it way outside of a "mere" nationalist context ~ for example, when I was in Ireland (both parts) I saw no indication whatsoever that the PIRAs or anyone else pressing for a united Ireland had a shred of design on shoving Protestants into camps or out of the country, although there may well have been a handful who thought that way ~ and goes far beyond the misery for others professed by the Nazis.
2.
Zionism undermines civic loyalty among its adherents in other countries in a way that other nationalist movements (and even ultra-nationalist movements like Nazism) did not - e.g., a large majority of American Jews, including those who are not openly dual citizens, espouse a form of political bigamy called "dual loyalty" (to Israel & the US) that is every bit as dishonest as marital bigamy, attempts to finesse the precedence they give to Israel over the US (lots of Rahm Emanuels out there who served in the IDF but NOT in the US armed forces), and has absolutely no parallel in the sense of national or cultural identity espoused by any other definable ethnic or racial group in America - even the Nazi Bund in the US disappeared once Germany and the US went to war, with almost all of its members volunteering for the US armed forces.
3.
The "enemy" of normal nationalist movements is the occupying power and perhaps its allies, and once independence is achieved, normal relations with the occupying power are truly the norm, but for Zionism almost everyone out there is an actual or potential enemy, differing only in proximity and placement on its very long list of enemies (which is now America's target list).
4.
Almost all nationalist movements (including the irredentist and secessionist variants) intend to create an independent state from a population in place or to reunite a separated people (like the Sudeten Germans in the 1930s) ~ it is very rare for it to include the wholesale displacement of another indigenous population, which is far more common of successful colonialist movements as in the US ~ and perhaps a reason why most Americans wouldn't care too much about what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians even if they DID know about it, is because that is no different than what Europeans in North America did to the Indians/Native Americans here in a longer & more low-tech fashion.
The
implications of this for Middle East peace prospects, and for other
countries in thrall to their domestic Jewish lobbies or not, are chilling.
The Book
of Deuteronomy come to life in a state with a nuclear arsenal would be
enough to give pause to anyone not bought or bribed into submission - which
these days encompasses the US Government, given Israel's affinity for throwing
crap into the face of the Obama administration and Obama's visible affinity
for accepting it with a smile, Bibi Netanyahu's own "Uncle Tom" come
to Washington.
The late General Moshe Dayan, who ~ Zionist or not ~ remains an honored part of my own Pantheon of military heroes, allegedly observed that Israel's security depended on its being viewed by others as a mad dog. He may have been correct.
The late General Moshe Dayan, who ~ Zionist or not ~ remains an honored part of my own Pantheon of military heroes, allegedly observed that Israel's security depended on its being viewed by others as a mad dog. He may have been correct.
But he
neglected to note that the preferred response of everyone else is to kill that
mad dog before it can decide to go berserk and bite.
Why would Dr.Sabrosky have Moshe Dayan as an 'honored part of (his) own Pantheon of military heroes'??
ReplyDeleteOther than admitting Israel's 1967attacks on Syria and Egypt(and Lebanon) had nothing to do with defending Israel from an attack, I struggle to think for what reasons Dr.Sabrosky would find the one-eyed war criminal 'honorable'...
stevieb
I must admit I found that comment a tad strange. Dayan is, to me, just more Zionist terrorist scum.
ReplyDeleteTo Beulahman and someone else who left a comment here, by mistake I erased the comments rather than publish them. I had clicked to print and saw that one of the entries was duplicated. Without thinking, as usual, I erased the duplicate and... alas, took out all the comments. And damn if the duplicated one did not have links I wanted to pursue!
ReplyDeletePlease accept my apologies.
The Justice of God: Israel is not a nation, it is only an Anti-God conspiracy by Talmudic wretches
ReplyDeleteJews come from the Talmud.
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Terrorists [Jewish] should be held accountable for the hundreds of MILLIONS murdered in the last century....including the Palestinians.
http://www.palestine-encyclopedia.com/EPP/TheAuthor.htm
Israelites SHOULD {Men in PARTICULAR} learn the truth...
http://www.israelect.com/reference/Willie-Martin
Truth will not abide LIES and Braindeadgoy stupidity...
Peace, Davy